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police in texas call a case of immigrant smuggling. the victims were found dead inside a tractor trailer at a walmart parking lot in san antonio last night. that is ongoing. the search is on at the moment for more victims. we'll have more on this breaking news story shortly. it's also a big week ahead in the russia investigation. the president's senior adviser jared kushner will meet with members of the house intelligence committee on monday. donald trump jr. and former trump campaign chairman paul manafort have also agreed to be interviewed behind closed doors. >> paul manafort is going to testify this week. my very close friend jared kushner is going to testify tomorrow. i predict that will be the last time jared kushner talks about the russians. i'm telling you, donald trump jr. is a great guy, didn't do anything wrong. i think the mistake was in the way it communicated.
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we started with one person, now we have an auditorium of russians he was speaking to or whatever the hell it was, and it's ridiculous. and the senate is expected to vote this week on health care, but as of now, republican senators may not even know yet which version of the health care bill that they'll have to vote on. >> this week the senate will vote to begin the debate to repeal and replace obamacare once and for all. the president and i are calling on every member of the senate to support. >> but first, to congress. it's put its foot down on the white house, and as soon as this week it will prove new sanctions against russia. president trump would need lawmakers' approval to lift them and after it became clear a trump veto would be needed to stop, the white house changed its attitude. listen. >> the administration is supportive of being tough on russia, particularly in putting these sanctions in place. the original piece of legislation was poorly written, but we were able to work with the house and senate and the
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administration is happy with the ability to do that and make those changes that were necessary, and we support where the legislation is now. >> congress is also getting ready to hear from the president's key players in the room for that meeting at trump tower. people who have russian ties on monday and tuesday. lawmakers hear from jared kushner, also in the coming days or weeks, donald trump jr., former campaign chairman paul manafort must turn over documents and be interviewed by staffers on the hill. kelly o'donnell is at the white house. kelly, who do we know about the interviews? it's going to be a busy week ahead. >> a busy week and a lot of what will happen will be behind closed doors, so there's a limit to what the public will know, but these are important steps in which the teams working on capitol hill, not only the lawmakers part of the intelligence committee, but their professional staff that work for those committees, giving these kinds of interviews is a really crucial piece in the building blocks of understanding the investigation, especially with some of the more recent developments, including that
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2016 meeting at trump tower that involved donald trump jr. and other members of the team with some figures from russia or associated with russia. so important steps. when it comes to jared kushner, he, of course, is the president's son-in-law and an official government employee, a senior adviser to the president, and he is really the only person who has gone from the campaign world to the white house that has been directly involved in this. of course, ivanka trump, his wife, also went from campaign to white house, but she has not been implicated in any supposed meetings. so jared kushner has something to talk about tomorrow. he'll be facing questions with the house intelligence committee, again, behind closed doors. his lawyer has worked with them to set about how they would do this. we are told it is a two-hour window of questions that may not be enough to cover it all, but adam schiff, who's the top democrat on that committee, has a lot in mind that he would like to learn from jared kushner. here's what he's thinking.
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>> want to know whether those meetings took place, whether other meetings took place. we have a lot of ground to cover. his counsel has said they'll only make him available for two hours, so we expect this is only going to be the first interview. >> and part of what happens here is when jared kushner's legal team went through his e-mails, calendar, background information, they came upon in some form or another that 2016 meeting at trump tower, where there were e-mails attached to that, and they revised jared kushner's security clearance application to reflect that meeting with the russian lawyer and a russian lobbyist, and that opened this new door for inquiry and, of course, jared kushner in many ways was an unparalleled figure in the campaign because of his closeness to the president and the confidence the president has in him. so the committee will want to know a lot about what he was aware of and perhaps find new
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ground if there's any to be killed in this about any interface with russia. kushner also played an important role in the digital side of the trump campaign, working with the teams that helped them to sort of use social media and to try to track their voters around the country, to turn them out. that's an area because of the computer nature and hacking that the committee will want to explore, as well. so we will begin to see these close figures close to the president testifying, but again, we won't see it in front of the cameras at this point. it will be behind closed doors. richard? >> thank you, at the white house, nbc's kelly o'donnell with the very latest for us. now let's bring in our three commentators, seema eyre, political analyst and republican strategist rick tyler. rick, let's start with you. a lot has happened in the last three days. developments certainly that are going to be thought of when jared kushner does hit the hill and potentially also paul manafort and donald trump jr. in
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coming days and weeks. with all of this that's happened in the last three days, do you think that this white house is feeling a little bit of heat? >> well, i would think so. there's a lot of shake up going on in the white house with the press secretary leaving and the new press secretary coming in and kushner, who i think is fairly vulnerable here, i think anybody else who would have had to update their security clearance forms as many times as he did, and it's also interesting that i don't think he did them alone, so is there a culpability on the lawyers who fill these out, as well, and i think the senate is going to have tough questions for him. of course, we won't see that directly, because they'll be in secret. >> one of the moves eluding to this, rick, the move with scaramucci being the communications director, and i move to you on this, because that move potentially could be readying for more waves, more developments that are upcoming,
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this based on key interviews that are happening in the coming week or two. what's your reporting, what are your sources telling you in terms of the mood in the white house? >> well, look, friday was obviously a tumultuous day. sean spicer the night before had been saying to people this really was something that was kind of a last straw for him. he had drawn a little bit of a line in terms of if scaramucci was brought on, he was not going to stay on, and the reason is to give scaramucci a clean slate. the problem with that is, as you head into a week that's heavy with russia news, is this white house has struggled a little bit to communicate effectively if positioned on russia and to spin it in a way that's anything but detrimental to them. so i think when you're going to head into a week where you have jared kushner going to the hill, you have don jr., paul manafort, all of these different threads coming together, you do have someone new at the helm of the communications shop who's just getting his feet wet in terms of
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figuring out how best to communicate the white house view on this. you also heard him this morning, the issue of pardons and whether or not that was discussed, you have one of trump's lawyers saying, no, we aren't researching it, and scaramucci saying we don't have anybody to pardon anybody, but by the way, we were talking about it in the office last week. those contradictions make it difficult to say okay, all of this makes sense as we go forward. >> let's play exactly what he did say, let's listen to anthony scaramucci talking about pardons today. >> does the white house believe the president has the power to pardon himself? >> i don't know. we haven't even really looked into that. i don't know. i talked to jay sekulow about that, because he's a scholar. i took constitutional law from larry tribe, and if professor tribe is listening, i know he doesn't like the president, but i did get an a-minus in your course. >> got the issues of pardons.
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the president for the first time mentioning and using the word pardons in his tweet yesterday. >> and referring to lawrence tribe, the great lawrence tribe, just co-authored for "the washington post" that says, no, you can't pardon. richard, it's smart legal drama to research pardons. nixon did the same thing. he asked his office, hey, look into this. it's smart. so, yes and no. can he, trump, issue himself a pardon? some people say yes, some people say no. >> ken starr, at least in his investigation in special counsel and "the new york times" said, no, he cannot pardon himself, at least that's the headline, if you will. >> because the constitution basically says, listen, you can't be the defendant and be the judge at the same time, and that's where tribe's position was. and tribe co-authored that article with richard paynter,
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who was the white house chief ethics lawyer under george w. bush. >> and so the signaling that comes out of this, rick, is that the white house is considering pardons, that's at least one narrative, right, because the president did mention it in his tweet and now we're hearing discussions and scaramucci trying to defend the answers and response coming from the president based on the reporting of him being uncomfortable with what is happening right now and looking at options. and so as the white house does look at options, what might they be based on a very energetic group of investigations happening, not only the four on the hill, but also counsel mueller's? >> well, they have several option. one is they can fight everything and undermine mueller, which is going to be difficult given his reputation on the hill, but that's the direction they are going. the other option is become transparent and put it all on the table. they said over and over again that they've done that, so i think they've exhausted that
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option because there's no credibility left. and so i think you'll see them continue to fight mueller. now, it's interesting that they'll be trying to undermine the investigation. you would do that for two reasons. you have something to hide, or you really believe that somehow the russian influence on the direction being legitimized his presidency. i find that a little bit of a stretch, so one has to wonder what it is they are trying to hide. >> rick, yesterday the president tweeted he was critical of his own attorney general again, saying he should be investigating hillary clinton and the e-mail situation. do you see attorney general sessions potentially as been said the shake-up in the white house might now, that wave might not hit the attorney general? >> well, probably, but i don't think jeff sessions is going to move from being the attorney general unless he becomes personally compromised or the president fires him. both would be fairly extreme. i think it's okay to have
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tension between the attorney general and the president. in fact, that's why the office has a ten-year term. it's supposed to be set up that way. the justice department is supposed to be somewhat inoculated or set apart from the administration for the very reason that the administration may have to be investigated. >> ali, the report is he's standing past this attorney general. >> look, when the white house did that interview with "the new york times" last week, that was a pretty big headline saying, well, if i had known jeff sessions was going to recuse himself from russia investigations, maybe i would have picked someone else. when we asked sarah huckabee sanders about that later that day, isn't that undermining your attorney general? no, it's not, and anthony scaramucci is saying, too, he's direct, honest about how he's feeling. i don't see how that helps your attorney general, but that friction doesn't look bad. >> perjury, does he face that,
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saying the post did say he discussed the campaign with russian officials? >> absolutely. everyone always talks about perjury, but does it ever happen? no, it really doesn't. it's also because that's a hearsay. if sessions spoke to sergey kislyak and that conversation right now is hearsay. we have no corroboration of that conversation, and until we do, i think sessions is safe. >> okay, thank you so much, seema, rick, ali, appreciate it. now to breaking news from texas in what police are calling a horrific human smuggling case. at least eight people were found dead overnight inside a sweltering tractor trailer. this 18-wheeler was discovered at a walmart parking lot in san antonio, texas. inside, dozens of suspected migrants were packed inside of it, including two 15 year olds, who were among the injured. authorities say at least 20 people were found in dire condition. the driver is now in custody. nbc' is there in san antonio,
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texas, and joins us right now. this is a quick moving story here, maya, what do we know? >> reporter: well, richard, just a horrific scene, 38 people packed into a sweltering tractor trailer. eight of them ended up dying. 17 were rushed to the hospital in either serious or critical condition, and all of this came to light because somebody managed to get out of the tractor trailer and flag down an employee at the walmart asking them for water. the employee brought water and called police. police discovered the scene inside the tractor trailer, and as you can imagine, it is summertime, south texas, and it is not here. it was 101 degrees yesterday, it was into the 90s, well into the evening. the driver of that tractor trailer is now in custody. here's what the police chief had to say about where the investigation stands now. take a listen. >> checking the video from the store, we found that there were a number of vehicles that came in and picked up a lot of the
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folks that were in that trailer that survived the trip. we're looking at a trafficking crime here this evening. department of homeland security is involved. they are working with us. homicide will work with them to determine the origin of this tragedy. >> now, just a short time ago, walmart issued a statement saying, "this is a very sad situation, and we are doing everything we can to assist the authorities." now, this is not the first time there has been a major human smuggling situation similar to this one. back in 2003, 19 people died in victoria, texas, under a very similar tragic circumstance, also packed into a tractor trailer. richard? >> breaking story for us, thank you so much. coming up, a better deal. that's part of the new slogan democrats are hoping will catch on with voters as they roll out their new agenda.
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welcome back. democrats have been searching for a new message and while congress continues to suffer from low approval ratings, the democrats also have a problem resinating with americans, but that soon may change. senate minority leader chuck schumer hopes so and says the party is expected to roll out a bold new agenda. >> we were too cautious. we were too namby pamby. this is sharp, bold, and will appeal to both the old obama coalition, let's say the young lady who's just getting out of college, and the democratic voters who deserted us for trump, the blue collar voters. economics, george, is our strength. >> joining me now, liz smith and
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steve murphy. thanks for being here. liz, we'll start with you here. he's eluding to what was learned during the last election cycle. group of voters across the country, especially in the heartland, saying you're not addressing what i need day to day economically. do you believe this will do that? >> look, i think his diagnosis of the problem is completely correct. there's a big problem when only 40% of people know what democrats stand for. my god, we're the party of fdr, lbj, barack obama, and now voters identify us as the party of not trump. a big problem of the 2016 election was we got sucked in every day by every outrage trump was putting out there. most people don't have the time to read and freak out over his tweets and what he said to the french first lady, so he's right. we need to go out and articulate a proactive and positive vision centered around economics, one that appeals to every demographic in our country, and that's something we didn't do in
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2016. my only caveat with that is we don't need to find bumper stickers. we need to do this in an authentic way that resinates with people. >> do you need a bumper sticker here, steve? if the mid western firewall decided to look the other way in this last election and if it's the economic issues they say have not been addressed no by two different administrations, don't you need a bumper sticker to say this is what we stand for, economics, at least in this case? >> a bumper sticker is fine and good if there's substance underneath it. if you're saying we need to do x, y, and z, and that's meaningful to them and adds up to something, they say this will make a difference in my life, then the bumper sticker on top of that will work, but a bumper sticker alone, liz is absolutely right, we don't need the slogan, we need the policies that help create good jobs, keep jobs from leaving this country, and grow
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our economy, along with our strength, we need to emphasize more and stronger on being the party that's fair economically. >> tough balance for many democrats, as they do face 2018 here, liz, is that the brand, this is the establishment, right, especially for the voters and places we're talking about and learned about in the last election. strong economic plan, as senator schumer is saying, strong aerosharp and clear. is that going to be what's going to turn them around? >> yeah. and look, i think it's not -- yes, we need a clear message. but we also need to talk about what we're for and not just what we're against. look, i worked for president obama in 2012, and he was up against a lot of headwinds, you know, tough economic numbers and the like. and he was able to win that race. not just by tearing down mitt romney, but by going out and saying what he was for, what he was fighting for, what he had done, and what he was going to continue to do. we saw that message lacking in
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2016, and i don't think there's one side fits all approach that we need for democrats. i think we need to find people who best fit their districts, but we need people who will go out and meet voters where they are and talk about their needs. >> best fit their districts, steve, and we look at what's happening with jeff sessions, right, seven democrats going after it. we also look at the 6th district in georgia, where that did not seem to work, at least in the end. what is the right fit for these places? again, please address the idea of being establishment. >> anywhere. any district in any state, if we win the argument on the economy and jobs, if voters believe we have the better path forward to create more good paying jobs, the 50% of the electorate that lives paycheck to paycheck, that suffers even in this period of strong economic growth in terms of the length and recovery, they still have an enormous amount of
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economic anxiety. if those voters say if i vote for the democrats, my personal situation microeconomically may well improve, then we're going to win that election, doesn't matter where it is. >> liz, is it chuck schumer? >> to your point about the establishment, look, i think for too long our party has turned to washington voices to lead us forward, and i think we've got to look outside washington. we have got to look at the next generation of leaders, governors, mayors. >> who are you looking at? >> i'm partial, i love the mayor of south bend, people like steve bullock in montana, governor hickenlooper in colorado. we need leaders on the ground working with people every day. >> interesting names there. steve, finally to you if you can answer my question about who necessarily specifically you think should sell this message. >> in terms of the establishment versus an insurgency wing of the
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party, we need to mean what we say. we said we were not for anymore bad trade deals. the last two administrations, both democratic administrations have both been free trade administrations. we need to talk straight to the voters and tell them exactly where we stand, and i don't think that matters whether it's chuck schumer or senator sanders. it's all democrats have simply got to mean what we say. that's what chuck schumer said this morning when he said we've been namby pamby. can't be that way, he's right. >> thank you so much, steve murphy and liz smith. coming up, seeking sanctuary. how one connecticut mother is fighting to stay in the country after she was ordered to leave and the support she's getting from her own community. whoa!
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now, maria faces a deportation order and because of that this weekend trying to obtain sanctuary in a connecticut church. the mother of four entered the u.s. in 1993 when she was 19. she settled in norwalk, connecticut, and got a job as a housekeeper, became a taxpayer. so far several have come out in her defense, including the connecticut governor daniel malloy. >> this case does not make sense. every time we accept being lied to or misled by our government, we are endangering our personal freedoms. >> nbc's morgan radford has been following this story for us, thank you for being here, morgan. tell us more about this mother and her story. >> she is a pretty courageous woman. she has a lot on the line. she came here, as you mentioned, when she was just 19 years old and for the past 24 years she's
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paid her taxes, has been working as a housekeeper, and all four of her children have been born here, the eldest has cerebral palsy. on thursday they said you have to go. she'd been coming every year, presenting herself to i.c.e., to immigration authorities, and she'd been getting her work visa and under the obama administration she's been allowed to come as long as she came and checked in every single year. suddenly something went different last month, they put an ankle monitor on her and said you have five weeks to pack up. her 9-year-old daughter was there when it happened. take a listen. >> do you remember that day? >> yep. june 20th, seven days before my birthday. trump is trying to separate families. any age, you are being separated
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by your mother or father, how would you feel? that's how most families in the united states feel. and you know what we're saying, those will be the children of the spanish families. >> if their parents get sent away? >> yes. >> so to hear a 9-year-old girl look at you in her face and say she's afraid she might be an orphan, it's tough. but the issue is also tough. even though this may be a sad story. we've spoken to officials, authorities. today i spoke to the assistant of homeland security under former president george w. bush and she said these things are sad, but we have to enforce the law because of a few reasons. one, the issue is precedent. if you allow someone simply because they have a sad story or tough story to stay, what does that mean for everyone else? and the second issue is, just because you enter a church, said another expert, that doesn't
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mean that you're above the law. so churches have had a long history in this country of providing sanctuary, right, and it's very unlikely that i.c.e. officials will go in and raid a church because it's understood this is a protected religious space, so that's why she and at least 12 other families across the country in this moment today, they are hiding in churches trying to receive sanctuary. but finally, richard, this is an issue about a change of administration, a lot of people feel. they say, look, experts said under the obama administration, more immigrants were deported. however, eventually president obama tried to create exception, so people were able to go and present themselves every year, but under the new trump administration, they said he's going to go after and more aggressively enforce these policies and another expert said, look, we have a generous immigration system in our country, but we have to follow the law in order for it to work. the question is, what do you do with the more than 900,000 people living in the shadows and
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the darkness and their beautiful children who are part of now our american past? >> what is next then for nuri and her fantastic young daughter that was speaking to you there? does she face deportation sooner or later? >> that's the big question. right now she's been there since thursday, her daughter has been sleeping in a cot in the back room with her every single night because she's afraid to go to sleep without her mom. she said to me, morgan, what's going to happen on my birthday? if my mommy goes home, she's not going to be here for my birthday. you know what i like about you, haley? you're beautiful, you're smart, but you're courageous. i said can i learn to be courageous like you? she said, morgan, you can't be courageous like you, you have to be courageous like you. >> sounds like you could have hung out with her for a lot of time. >> a lot of time. >> thank you so much for that story of a very difficult situation with an undocumented
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also echoed by president trump in a tweet yesterday, urging republican senators to step up to the plate, but parts of the senate health care bill could violate budget rules, according to a senate parliamentarian, and senator mccain's recent cancer diagnosis means the gop is down a vote they cannot afford to lose. the latest developments raising questions about where the senate health care bill is headed. let's bring in sarah westwood, washington correspondent, and dan dimon, health care reporter for politico. dan, what are they going to vote on, if they do vote on something this week? >> richard, they don't know what they are going to vote on, and whatever bill they end up picking doesn't have the votes. the republican health reform effort in the senate is kind of a shambling zombie at this point moving from week to week, but mcconnell, majority leader mcconnell, wants to hold the vote, because he thinks that a failure will be enough to get conservative groups to pressure those holdout senators and bring them back to the table. i'm not sure that's going to happen, but that feels like the
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only option they have left after weeks of negotiating and not coming to a deal. >> so we look at this, i guess, sarah, the white house, we're seeing the messaging coming from the vice president, seeing the messages coming from the president himself on this. is this aiding or pressuring mitch mcconnell to hold a vote that he may not otherwise do? >> well, it's clear that the president doesn't have a clear policy preference. he doesn't really care whether they do clean repeal, he doesn't care whether it's repeal and replace. i think president trump at this point would accept any action on obamacare as some kind of victory. you hear -- you heard it right from the vice president, their main tagline on this is inaction is not an option, but they don't care what kind of action takes place. it's possible, though, if mitch mcconnell is able to get enough votes on the motion to proceed, which is scheduled for tuesday to move forward on a debate on some kind of health care legislation that will see president trump go to the home states of senators who are on
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the fence. vice president pence has already started doing that. we might see president trump in west virginia, in shelly moore capito's backyard in ohio, trying to put pressure on areas where he's still popular so senators have to reconsider whether they should openly cross president trump. >> reporting yesterday here coming out of politico, dan, was mitch mcconnell, senate majority leader saying i'm going to go for the repeal, just the repeal alone. what is your understanding of that probability, and what are the other options that he might do in the repeal and the replace? >> well, the straight repeal was something senate republicans voted on two years ago, and nearly every senator, the only republican who held out was susan collins. nearly every other senator voted for that, but times have changed. and many of the holdout senators are ones who can wait out the trump presidency. collins isn't up for re-election
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until 2020. she's made signals she might not run for the senate again and said go for state governor of maine. shelly moore capito of west virginia also not up until 2020 and rand paul and mike lee, they don't think it goes far enough. they are not up until 2022, so while the repeal measure that some moderates really don't want is possibly going to come up, they aren't necessarily willing to take that vote because they could alienate enough people in their state who could be the margin of difference in re-election. the replacement bill that republicans have toyed with for weeks and the new version, you got to this, richard, in your intro, the senate parliamentarian just knocked out pieces of that bill on friday saying provisions to defund planned parenthood or change how people get covered or locked out of the market, those don't comply with what's called budget reconciliation measures, so at minimum republicans are going to have to decide if they go
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forward with that bill, are they going to rewrite it so it complies with budget reconciliation or do they overrule the parliamentarian, which establishes a new precedent which many senate republicans don't want. >> so, sara, if the senate parliamentarians are saying this does not fit in with the rules and regulations, what might be the option here? >> well, president trump has long been agitating to get rid of these arcane rules, just have simple majority pac legislation, it's not clear that he had a full and complete grasp of why these rules have been in place or how the senate process works, but clearly if they were to just scrap these budget reconciliation rules, try to forge ahead with a simple majority, i think that's something the white house would support enthusiastically, but even if they did that, it's still not clear they would have the 50 votes they would need to move forward, especially with senator john mccain's absence. the margin of error is much thinner and all the republicans
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aren't come onboard. if the senate majority leader is able to whittle down the numbers to get closer and closer to the number he needs, get it down to maybe three republicans, let's say, who are still no on the obamacare vote, no republican senator wants to be the one who stands in the way of repealing obamacare after the party has promised us for so long, so if it's somebody who's not necessarily an ideological hardliner like ted cruz or mike lee, who is the last man standing against a vote, enormous pressure will be brought to bear against whoever he or she is, that's not a position anyone wants to be in, so the closer mitch mcconnell can get, the momentum of support might carry this over the finish line. >> and there's very little impetus for democrats to work them at the moment. as dan dimon says, odds are against the zombie, right, sara? >> exactly. >> thank you. >> thank you. a controversial bathroom bill is at the center of a big
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prevagen. the name to remember. i do not belong in a women's bathroom or women's locker room at all, and i think most people would agree with that. there are no incidents of trans people harming anyone in bathrooms. in fact, we are typically more at risk in public facilities. >> that was michael hughes, a transgender man on the front line of a controversial bathroom bill in texas. friday a state senate committee proved a bill that would force transgender people to use only restrooms that match the gender on their birth certificate. the bill is similar to one in north carolina that was later repealed. it now goes to the full senate, which is expected to approve that. opponents say the legislation promotes intolerance.
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>> its sole purpose is to target transgender people for stigma. >> several major companies say it would hurt the ability to attract new employees and investment. supporters of the bill say it's not about discrimination. >> the assumption was never we need to be afraid of the transgenders. the assumption is, and like i said before, having been a victim of sexual assault, there is a level of safety, but also something was brought out yesterday that's true, as well. as a woman, i don't want to change clothes in front of a man. >> joining me now is executive director for national center of transgender equality. good to speak with you again. this particular bill happened as a result of a special session, right, a special legislative session that was conducted there. tell us more about that in terms of how this came to be. >> well, i think it's actually a
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special legislative obsession. they tried to pass this this year, they tried to pass it a couple years ago in texas. there are folks like lieutenant governor patrick and apparently governor abbott who are just obsessed with the idea of attracting transgender children this way. you know, chuck smith from equality texas, you just had him on, he said the single purpose here is to attack transgender people, to marginalize transgender people. i think that's right, except there's also some sort of political advantage or obsession that these folks are seeing that we don't understand. >> what is the political motivation here, do you believe? because this bill is under debate at least, also known as senate bill 3, a revised version, basically another attempt here of getting this through. >> yeah. you know, there are some extremist groups around the country that are egging legislators on. there are legislators that seem
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to think this is politically beneficial to them. it is certainly not an education issue. it is not a safety issue. it is terrifying children and parents all over texas, and, frankly, all over the country. there's not -- you know, the tourism people, there were 250 people who testified on friday for 11 hours. the tourism officials from houston, dallas, san antonio, austin, galveston, all talked about how this doesn't make sense to them and they are already losing money. they've already lost almost $600 million just from talking about the legislation. >> there have been companies that you know here, mara, that have taken a stance on this. ibm being one of them, taking out ads that are against this particular senate bill, analysis as you're eluding to in terms of the economic risk here, i'll just share some of the numbers we've been looking at, it shows between $450 and $630 million in
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lost revenue in north carolina for hb2 there, and a minimum of some 1,400 jobs lost because of hb-2. what are some of the numbers that you're looking at, in addition to what you were mentioning there, that would affect texas? texas, as you know, very big state. >> very big state with a lot more big cities. a lot more tourism, actually. it will be hurt more. if this law passes, yes, sports, entertainment, conventions, meetings. we're just dumbfounded that the people in texas would do this to their own state after they saw what north carolina did to its state. but they seem -- there are a lot of people who seem set on doing this. >> what's the prognosis here? is it going to pass? what are some of the efforts your organization are undertaking and others? >> well, we do expect it to pass
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the senate, though big efforts are going to try to stop that. it still has to get through the house. if it passes, it still has to be repealed. this, you know, this has to end soon. one way or another, but it may take us a couple years. i think we're going to work really hard and we have a really good chance at stopping it in the house of representatives. and if not, we'll repeal it or we'll wait until the dinosaurs move on and folks want to have their state back again. >> thank you again. >> thank you. >> all righty. coming up, new findings that could help doctors better diagnose and treat alzheimer's disease. we got a yes! what does that mean for purchasing? purchase. let's do this. got it. book the flights! hai! si! si! ya! ya! ya! what does that mean for us? we can get stuff. what's it mean for shipping? ship the goods. you're a go! you got the green light. that means go!
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welcome back. alzheimer's disease is the biggest killer in america that has no way of being prevented, cured, or slowed. this week some good news, though, at the alzheimer's
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association gathering, new findings that could help many of the 5.5 million suffering from the disease. diagnosing is tough, but maybe new indicators of who might be at risk. for instance, people with sleep disorder breathing and sleep apnea, hearing and language problems in midlife also could be one. stress, poverty, and poor diet, as well. also from the conference, a new dementia blood test. studies show it can identify risk of losing memory with 89% accuracy, years before symptoms arise. all of this is important, given 20 u.s. states were identified as neurology deserts. these states have a chronic shortage of neurologists and rapid rise of alaszheimer's disease and dementia cases. son joey is the primary caregiver for his mom, molly, who you see here. she has dementia. here's a part of their story
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from nbc news digital. >> wasn't going to try to do this, but hardest day of my life when your mother doesn't know who you are. she knows my name, but doesn't know who i am. gotten to the point where her brain is dying, slowly dying. i knew that people had to see it firsthand in order to understand it. i wanted to document my mother with dementia, show people what dementia is really like, the good, the bad, the ugly, the shocking, that i was going to show it all. >> it's a great story. you have to see it, the entire
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